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peter king on the controversy. >> i agree with chambliss. if i were in congress in 1941, i would have signed al declaration of war against japan. i'm not going to declare war against japan today. the times have changed. ronald reagan and tip o'neil recognized that in the '80s. everything should be on the table. >> joining me, ed and david. thank you for joining me. >> good to see you, alex. >> you heard representative king on "meet the press" saying that he agrees on the pledge to not raise taxes. >> if you look at exit polling, people want to see democrats and republicans working together. you talk to them over and over again and voters say that and expect it. you see lawmakers since they have returned saying that they want to work together and one of the ways is that whether it was on taxes or other issues. >> so david, the change of heart by the gop on taxes, is it legitimate? is it a philosophical change or facing political reality since the majority of the public are okay with tax hikes on the wealthy? >> it's a political reality and this is the result of an election. it is signi
is not for life. but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than, than, than two years or something. >> and zoraida, there you have grover norquist -- >> weeks. >> -- of course, from the americans for tax reform throwing out some pretty strong political hyperbole. but the fact of the matter is, as you said, fiscal cliff, 35 days away, and as we've heard from a lot of economists, if congress can't fix this, then we're in a lot of trouble. we can be heading back into recession. >> mark preston live in washington, d.c. thank you for that. so even if democrats and republicans get a spending deal done in time to steer clear of the fiscal cliff, derer thompson says it won't necessarily cure the economy. the senior editor of "the atlantic" joins us live in the next half hour. he has an interesting perspective. >>> ambassador susan rice heads to capitol hill this morning to mend fences with three republican senators. john mccain, lindsey graham and
've had some tough things to say about congressman peter king, for example. his comments about the pledge. but look specifically to his point. some things do change over the years, the economic problems, for example, that we may have had 20 years ago, 40 years ago, they're different than the economic problems right now. so don't different problems call for different solutions? >> well, what was odd about peter king's comment was look, tax increases slow economic growth. tax increases take resources out of the real economy and allow the government to grow and grow. that's always a bad idea. that's not a good idea some years and a bad idea others. leeches, doctors don't put leeches on people ever, it's wrong. don't do it. it doesn't make people stronger. raising taxes, taking money out of the economy, damages the economy, kills jobs, reduces opportunities. >> you know, the latest cnn polls that just came out this week say you're wrong. two of three americans, including a majority of republicans, say the fiscal cliff should be addressed with a mix, a mix of spending cuts, yes, but also tax i
to see you, grover. thank you for joining us. you heard lindsey graham a moment ago. peter king talked about saxby chambliss as well. here's what he said. >> i agree entirely with saxby chambliss. a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago, is for that congress. for instance, if i were in congress in 1941 i would have signed -- supported a declaration of war against japan. i'm not going to attack japan today. the world has changed. >> senator john mccain weighed in as well. here's what he said. i'm sorry. let me read to you what he said. fewer and fewer people are signing this, quote, pledge. do you worry that this pledge is losing its grip on lawmakers? >> look, soledad, as you know, the people making this case, the three -- the two senators and the congressman that were put forward, they all said that two years ago when we were arguing over the debt ceiling limit. so their position hasn't changed. and during the debt ceiling limit we cut spending, we didn't raise taxes. so other republicans did not listen to peter king or these others and say, oh, let's go raise taxes. they're sp
goes on the record by name dismissing his pledge and his power. peter king says a pledge is good at the time you sign it. in 1941 i would have voted to declare war on japan. but each congress is a new congress and you can't have a rule that you're never going to raise or lower taxes. i don't want to rule anything out. senator of georgia said, i'm frankly not concerned about the norquist pledge. senator john mccain said fewer and fewer people are signing this "pledge." it's actually a pledge, but any way. senator coburn called it "a tortured vision of tax purity." and it did you want end there in that article. bill crystal said this. >> let's have a serious debate. don't scream and yell when one person says, it won't kill the country if we raise taxes on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer. >> a calmist at the national review wrote, as a matter of political strategy not to say survival, republicans will have to agree to raise taxes on those defined as rich. republicans must also contend with the pew poll that asked who would be more to blame i
had on this issue. "the new york times" reported on more defections from the anti-tax pledge. peter king of new york is the latest who marginalized the number one conservative lobbyist in washington. king said "a pledge is good at the time you sign it. in 1941 i would have voted to declare war on japan. i don't think you can have a rule you're never going to raise taxes. or that you're never going to lower taxes. i don't want to rule anything out." you mean there's actually a level-headed republican in the house that wants to talk about this? republicans shouldn't rule anything out because the democrats are giving them one hell of a deal to go home with. the president has on the table right now, let's keep the taxes where they are for 98% of americans. how can republicans not campaign on that? they are going to be able to go home and say, hey, i didn't raise your taxes. not if you're the 98% of americans. it's the top 2% that have to pay more. they won't even buy into that if you listen to rand paul. the the democrats want to reinstate the clinton era tax rates. this would bring in
the case may be and so peter king didn't invent that. >> that's something that grover was rebuffed. you can opt out. >> once you're in, that's it. >> yes. >> but look, the big good news for progressives here, there are two fundamental values that have driven the economic conversation for republicans in this era. one is deficit is the biggest problem. here we are with the cliff, the curve, whatever you want to call it and what do we find out? even republicans are warning they don't want to go over the cliff because guess what? just cutting the deficit without any regard to the rest of our priorities is a bad idea. it happens to be the heart of republican economic policy and the other thing about never raising taxes, guess what? we don't have the gdp to seniors ratio than we did 20 years ago, so if we're going to be serious about an ageing population, it means you can't stick to these fantasies. >> i remember two years ago on the show, introducing him to the audience and explaining he's the most powerful republican in government and i had to do this long thing on who he is. and now, here he i
? lindsey graham, saxby chambliss, bob corker and peter king, they've said they're willing to compromise and consider revenue increases to avoid the fiscal clifft. their shift in position has grover norquist vowing to help unseat any republican who breaks his taxpayer protection pledge. the question tonight is whether this is a larger trend or whether republicans are just testing the waters and two men who know about testing the waters, politicking and actually meaning what you say join me now. david frum and james carville, you have been on every side of this. let me start with you though david. republicans talking about raising revenue by closing loopholes. you can get a heck of a lot of revenue that way. is this smart for them r or not? >> republicans are going to be yielding grown, but they have to avoid it under pressure. president has a strong hand. they have to keep their party together. frankly, i think loopholes are the -- so-called loopholes, deductions for home mortgage, at this point, the wrong place to look for new revenue. the place is look is with different kinds of tax s.
that gives it solvency. >>peter: congressman king says no one will get what he wants but in president reagan and thomas "tip" o'neill could make a deal, so, too, should speaker boehner and president obama. >>gregg: and now the top people responsible for our defense, first, general petraeus resigning as head the c.i.a. amid scandal. there could also be big changes at the pentagon. as well at state department. whoever the president chooses, it could impact, for example, the use of armed drones taking out al qaeda overseas. and lots of other security matters. and now, a fox news contributeor and pollster joining us, and former senior advisor to senator john mccain. the use of the unmanned drones to take out terrorists who want to murder americans, on its face it should be a no-brainer but national security appears to be politicized. >> that is right. to their credit the obama administration in the days up to the election were trying to codify the rules and regulations for making those difficult decisions. however, we are alonging at the possibility of massive defense cuts. we have new personnel
has changed, and the economic situation is different. >> so peter king is telling us, mike barnicle, not only is he going soft on taxes, he's going soft on japan. >> i know. >> it's not just peter king on the taxes. it's a big step, don't you think? >> it's a big step. >> grover. yeah, grover's taking a big hit since the election. there's no doubt about it. i think john, you'd verify this. number of republicans, i've talked to a couple of united states senators who said there's at least 10 to 12 republican senators who are willing to walk away from grover norquist on the tax pledge. >> it's breaking out all over. sanity is contagious. >> now, the question is, is the president going to stay where he is and go, you know what? we're going to do it my way or no other way? we're going to raise it to 90 -- to 39.6%. steve rattner had a great column yesterday. >> it's a must-read. >> you know there's more than one way to skin a cat, more than one way to raise over a trillion dollars in revenues. it doesn't just have to be the president's way. is the white house going to insist on the 39.6%
republicans did not listen to peter king or these others. >> and this guy is a political loan shark. the majority of americans want to see tax rates go up on the rich, but will norquist convince enough republicans it's better to dig in their heels than to reach a compromise? tom coburn is the republican senator from oklahoma, and joe klein is a columnist for "time." senator, i don't want to abuse your presence. my children think you're the greatest. i have a couple kids, one who worked on the debt commission and another one who just loves you for some reason. let's find out why. it seems to me if you look at the numbers, just arithmetic here, right now the government is taking in 15.7% of the gdp in the current fiscal year and spending 22.9% of the gdp. common sense tells us if we're going to get to 20, it seems like getting maybe to 20, maybe some liberals want to bid more, conservatives want to bid less. you have to come in both directions. your thoughts? >> i agree. the problem, chris, is we haven't had long-term thinkers in congress for a long time, and if you really look at it,
. >> the pledge is not for life, but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years or something. no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. they've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. the same thing with other people who are elected because they made that written commitment to the people of their state. >> that sounds like a threat. >> why does he keep making this romantic sexual thing? >> don't make it sexual! >> impure thoughts? romance and marriage? >> he's really sad. he's a little heartbroken here. he's had a lot of his life in this sacred oath, and they're discarding it like it was nothing. dan, two grover's point, you know, are those republicans having just impure thoughts as he put it, or are they willing to move away from the pledge and actually when it comes down to it not just increase revenues through closing loopholes but increase the rates? >> this is the reason why we shouldn't be so qui
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